We Are in a Post-Climate Change World | Aaron Bastani Meets Gaia Vince

The framing of the discussion around climate change mainly focuses on mitigating rising temperatures, de-carbonising and getting to ’net zero’. Author and broadcaster Gaia Vince argues that, whilst these things are important, we need to focus on how we’ll deal with what is already happening and will, in all likelihood, get much much worse: huge swathes of the planet becoming uninhabitable, with 2 billion people needing to find somewhere new to live. She argues the solution to this a drastic reframing of how we think about migration. She sat down with Aaron to talk wet bulb temperatures, demographic aging and the Japanese nappy market. You can find Gaia’s book here: 00:00 Intro 02:58 Sea Levels 12:40 The Post Climate-Change World 21:33 Green Infrastructure & Long Term Thinking 33:46 Wet Bulb Temperatures & Geo-Politics 43:25 Everything Is Migrating North 46:05