Dealing with the Deadly | Ambassador Robert O’Brien | EP 398
Dr. Jordan B. Peterson sits down with attorney, ambassador, and 27th U.S. Security Advisor, Robert O’Brien. They discuss the inner workings of international hostage negotiations, the ongoing success and legacy of the Abraham Accords, the Russia/Ukraine war, and the current perception of American strength, leaving much room for improvement.
Robert O’Brien is an American attorney, ambassador, and was the 27th United States Security Advisor (4th to be hired under Donald Trump). O’Brien was a founding partner of the LA based boutique law firm Larson O’Brien LLP, and has worked in various legal and campaign roles for politicians such as Mitt Romney, Scott Walker, George W. Bush, and Donald Trump. He has also served as an Ambassador to various countries like Israel and Taiwan during incredibly uneasy moments in recent history, including work on the Abraham Accords. In this field, he has also negotiated successfully to free Americans held captive abroad.
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(0:00) Coming up
(0:21) Intro
(1:06) Becoming the 4th Security Advisor under Donald Trump
(3:29) Negotiating for international hostages
(6:09) Lawyer, diplomat, arbitrator: the skills you need
(10:46) Rescued in 48 hours
(12:31) The need for physical deterrence
(13:55) The Hostage Envoy under Biden’s regime
(15:24) The appearance of “American weakness”
(18:46) Donald Trump fostered a 4 year period without any new wars
(28:27) One of the greatest accomplishments of the Trump administration
(32:33) Characterizing Trump: Why he was a strong leader
(36:55) Negotiation, and why most people are bad at it
(43:23) Carl Rogers: Mediation, active listening, and summarizing
(46:23) If you cannot say “no,” then you cannot negotiate
(48:13) Bringing A$AP Rocky home from Sweden
(53:11) When you should say no
(55:49) How to negotiate a raise you have earned
(59:17) Why the Afghanistan withdrawal was “catastrophic”
(1:08:42) Why the Biden Administration went against the original plan
(1:10:08) Leading up to the proxy war on Russia: “an unbroken string of missed opportunities”
(1:27:06) Why we need Russia and Ukraine, getting them to the table
(1:30:27) Russia has kidnapped over 100K Ukrainian children
(1:33:49) The Abraham Accords: a great American accomplishment
(1:37:59) Tel Aviv is the Silicon Valley of the Middle East
(1:40:34) Progress is slow, but happening
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