1986-07-25 about Soul and Spirit 1 (Volterra, Italy)

...then it [the light] comes in there. This [the glass] is the body. All the 5 Koshas, the 5 auras, Koshas, are there. So these 5 Koshas are managed by the 5 elements, the essence of which can be called the causal element, the causal of the... Jivatma is the soul but Atma is the Spirit... No, no! Jivatma is the soul. Means with these five elements. And these five elements give you your own identity, your own character, your own particularities etc. These five elements; the way they are placed in you. That’s the causal element, the causal of the elements that are within you. Then these causals act on the chakras and through the chakras these causals act on the other... on the grosser side. So from the subtle to the subtler to the... you can say the subtlest. The subtlest we can say is the Spirit, supposing. Then the subtler is the soul. And the subtle you have the chakras. And the gross is the body... The soul is... That’s why all the art grew from here [Italy]. Now soul is the essence of all the elements of this Europe, which is here. And England is the reflection. So England has to reflect on Italy... And Spirit can move out of soul. That’s why the Romans went all the way to England. This is the reason, in that seeking. What is this supposed to be? [Referring to the food being served]...